Armalite AR10 A4 10A4CF
In late 2007 308ar.com was born out of several thoughts and ideas. The first being that AR15 shooters would eventually seek a more powerful platform, hunters not interested in a 5.56 weapon might embrace the more powerful 7.62/.308 Winchester cartridge and long range precision target shooters would gravitate towards and appreciate the modularity of the 308AR platform. Lastly that while on the surface the Armalite AR-10, DPMS LR-308, and AR15 look similar there are substantial differences. The AR15 difference should be obvious as a 7.62 rifle, .308Winchester cartridge is longer longer than a .223/5.56 and simply cannot dimensionally fit in a mil-spec AR15. This leaves us with the subject of this post, the Armalite AR-10.
First off let’s start with the simplest reason all 308AR rifles are not an AR-10. The Armalite “AR-10″ is a trademarked model of rifle from Armalite. To call all 308AR rifles AR-10 is like saying every cola is Coke, every muscle car is a Mustang or all plastic wrap is Saran Wrap. All three of those products are trademarked names of their respective brands and should not be used interchangeably.
Now for the more complex reasons the Armalite AR-10 is the only AR-10. In 2015 the differences are now less then the were three years ago but they are no less confusing and no less insignificant.
DPMS LR-308 Lower Receiver with an Armalite AR-10 Upper Receiver
Armalite AR-10 Upper Receiver – the Armalite AR-10 upper receiver has a profile that prevents it from properly fitting on a DPMS LR-308 style profile. An Armalite AR-10 upper receiver should only be used with an Armalite AR-10 lower receiver. The Armalite AR-10 upper receiver uses a barrel extension and bolt unique to the Armalite AR-10 upper receiver. Do not use a DPMS LR-308 bolt in an Armalite AR-10 barrel/barrel extension. Likewise do not use the Armalite AR-10 bolt in a DPMS LR-308 barrel/barrel extension.
Armalite AR-10 Upper Receiver Compared to a DPMS LR-308 Upper Receiver
Armalite AR-10 Lower Receiver – the Armalite AR-10 Lower Receiver has a unique profile and should only be used with an Armalite AR-10 Upper Receiver. There are two Armalite AR-10 Lower Receiver styles prevalent today. The most common uses the proprietary Armalite AR-10 magazine once based on the M14 magazine which was developed and utilized as a result of the Clinton era Assault Weapon ban. These Armalite AR-10 Lower Receivers are not compatible with DPMS-LR 308 magazines, Magpul 308 AR magazines or Knights Armament SR25 magazines or their clones.
Recently Armalite resurrected their preban Armalite AR-10 lower receiver which will accept the DPMS-LR 308 magazines, Magpul 308 AR magazines or Knights Armament SR25 magazines and their clones.
Lastly in 2015 the lines of compatibility are blurring even further. So many companies producing the 7.62/.308 Winchester based weapons and nearly all following the DPMS LR-308 basic design yet that does not guarantee 100% compatibility with other 308AR weapons. With no mil-spec design we are seeing a lot of creative liberties with weapon designs. It’s a blessing and a curse. Know what your buying. If unsure of compatibility contact the manufacturer or join the forum and tap the knowledge base of the community
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Armalite AR-10 The Only AR-10
LR-308 AR10 AR15 Platform Cross Compatibility:
308 AR Parts Compatibility
The large platform AR rifles are a great source of confusion and mystery for folks looking to get into the .308 AR world. The number one question being are the parts from a standard AR15 compatible with the Armalite AR10 and DPMS LR-308? Well if only it was a simple yes or no question. The fact of the matter is the LR-308 and AR10 aren’t even completely interchangeable. Hopefully in the paragraphs that follow we can sort all of this out.
Update: As we head in to 2014 there are simply too many brands and variations to list on this page. While i will use it for the most basic of questions I suggest visiting the forum for up to date information.
AR10 vs LR-308 Manufacturers
Before we dive into the compatibility its important that you determine the platform your rifles lower receiver is based upon. Below I will group the big names you will come across when looking for parts. It will by no means be a complete list
- Eagle Arms
- Noveske N6
- Aero Precision
- Aircraft Armament
- Iron Ridge Arms (DPMS also)
- CMMG (DPMS also)
.308 AR Pattern Compatibility Frequently Asked Questions
- Can a Rock River Arms LAR-08 .308 Upper be used with a DPMS LR-308 Lower – No, the upper is longer than a DPMS unit. View image below
LAR-308 vs LR-308
- Is an Armalite barrel and barrel extension compatible with a DPMS LR-308 Upper Receiver? – Yes, Dimensionally the measurement from the back of the lugs to the breach face is within .001″-.002″ on the Armalite and DPMS bolts. Note: You must use a properly headspaced bolt that matches the barrel extension type. This means you need to use an Armalite Bolt in an Armalite Barrel Extension and likewise for DPMS.
- Can a Rock River Arms RRA two stage trigger be used with a DPMS LR-308? – Yes, but some times the hammer needs to have some minor filing or stoning to prevent it from dragging on the bolt carrier while cocked.
- Magpul MIAD pistol grip doesn’t properly hold the rear takedown pin – Magpul addresses this with an adapter called MIAD AR-10/SR-25 Grip Wedge.
LR-308 vs AR10
For the most part I will point out what’s incompatible rather then list every part.
- Upper Receivers – This is the most significant difference. They are not compatible for the most part. There are cases of folks modifying them to work together but the results are unacceptable and unsightly in my opinion. Click on the images below to view them full size. Images courtesy of AR15Barrels.com
AR10 vs DPMS Upper
Armalite AR-10 Upper, DPMS LR-308 Lower
AR15 vs .308 AR
- Free Float Tubes and Handguard’s – Most not compatible due to the barrel nut size difference
Can I Mix DPMS and Armalite Upper and Lower Receivers
While you can make it work the contours and profiles are completely different. I’m going to call this a NO
Can I Shoot .308 Winchester Ammunition 7.62×51 Chamber
NO. Note: Others will disagree
The cartridges are slightly dimensionally different and do not headspace the same. The .308 Winchester Cartridge operates at considerably higher pressures than the 7.62.51 NATO. The two should not be used interchangeably. My rule of thumb is to shoot the caliber stamped on the barrel. If you are not sure what your weapon shoots consult the original manufacturer.
Can I Use a .308 AR or AR-10 Upper Receiver on an AR-15
NO, The lower receiver is not large enough to accommodate the .308 Winchester/7.62×51 Cartridge
Can a Rock River Arms LAR-08 .308 Upper be used with a DPMS LR-308 Lower
No, the upper is longer than a DPMS unit. See top image